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Art Theft

Tue Dec 27, 2005, 4:43 AM



Okay ladies and gentlemen. Here goes keia on a trek to discuss art theft, what it is, what it isn't, the way society views it, and deviantART's policies on it.

What is Art Theft?
For the most part, the view on art theft is that if a person looks at your image and has taken either design or postural influences from your art they are stealing from you. This includes tracing, copying concepts, copying character designs, copying color schemes, copying poses, and other things. When a person sees that this has happened, they (and others) usually become very angry or hurt.

But what is art theft really? The bottom line is, it's artwork directly taken. Copied and pasted. While deviantART agrees that tracing isn't really an original practice, it is a completely natural part of human nature. It is also artistically stimulating and can help an artist break down the basic steps used by a more experienced artist to improve their own methods. To be on the safe side, deviantART will also delete an image if it looks so ridiculously identical to another image that there is no clear way to tell if it contains any copied and pasted material or not. Concerning literature, an identical poem or prose with minor alterations is also a policy violation, this is just as serious as the theft of an image. As you may or may not know, people get kicked out of college for plagiarizing. Regarding sprites/pixel art of all kinds, imagine someone takes a very small sprite and copies down every pixel in a new document manually. One could argue that even though it is an exact replica it is an original work. This is unacceptable because it is no different from opening a poetry book and typing out a poem word for word and uploading it. Whether you copied and pasted it or copied it exactly it's still the same and this is why we will still delete an image that looks ridiculously identical to something else but not simple traces.

Keia's take
My take has changed over the years. I have an infamous history of people trace and copy the hell out of all my art and designs. This used to piss me off a LOT. It is a tender topic. You feel like someone has taken something you worked hard on and is taking credit for your work. Personally knowing many people, anyone who copied my art usually got thoroughly mobbed. So what's my current take on it? I have come to terms with the deviantART view and see exactly why they chose to look at it this way, and would like to take a moment to publicly appologize to those deviants who suffered the wrath of myself and others over innocent hefty inspiration.

Take an example. Imagine there's a brand new artist who had just found deviantART and is all wow this is an awesome site! They see all these amazing artists and want to make amazing art too. They look at a piece that particularly touches them and draw something extremely similar to it. NOT realizing that this is considered an offensive and insulting act as they have not belonged to an art community before, they find that this has caused several very angry, very intimidating people to come to their page and tell this brand new artist that they're a horrible thief who should burn in hell. This artist, who had the potential to become the best artist on the entire site, has been driven off over something that they just didn't understand.

This happened to me, except I did not leave thanks to some kind words from *sonicelectronic who made me believe, even though she was not aware of the situation at the time, that I had potential and was not unwelcomed by everyone due to my misdeeds. I admit it, when I saw =bara-chan's and *zetallis's art, I basically took and copied images that they did and only changed what I was capable of doing on my own at the time, did I know that wasn't okay? No I didn't. I was 16 which is considerably old and I DID NOT realize that it was wrong. People attacked me over it. I honestly almost left. I would probably have forgotten about art, would have never created Kona, and would never have become a GD, never would have made all the brilliant friends I've made here, never would have had this enlightening artistic experience.

I am ashamed and highly disappointed in myself that it took me this long, even after I EXPERIENCED it, to fully realize the subject. I may be responsible for the departure of artists that would have become amazing contributors to our community, and that's sad.

Of course this doesn't mean I LIKE it when people copy me or trace my art. It just doesn't bother me so much, I am not offended by it. But in extreme cases I still see myself encouraging originality and credits. If someone draws Kona and then says that it's 100% their original design and deny that they had any influence from me, that's bad I think. Although not against the policies (save any needless insulting) I see myself being irked by something like that, not so much that it would be copying me but that it would be flat out lying and rather insulting that they would believe I was stupid enough to believe it. Very fortunately nothing that extreme has ever happened.

I think all of this is important to consider. Next time you see someone and you feel like they're ripping someone else off, pretend it was the innocently ignorant 16 year old me, and be gentle and informative if you decide to approach them with your concern. Who knows what sorts of potential they might posess? I believe our community would be much warmer and welcoming if we all thought about and approached it this way.

It's like burping at the table. Not everyone knows that it's rude, you won't get sent away from the table for it but it's still nice not to do it. And it's better to say "Baby you probably shouldn't do that you might offend someone" with a smile, than "you suck you dirty burper everyone knows burping is wrong you don't belong here". I think this is a good example because burping at the table isn't rude everywhere and in some places is even considered a compliment. And this makes me remember all the times I shot down people who said "You should be flattered" to me.

I'm sorry I didn't start sooner.


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That last part makes a good point. I doubt there's many artists who, when starting out on dA, didn't copy someone else at first. I did, I remember gawking at his girl's art and wanting to learn how she drew her characters and coloured them, and I started to try photoshop at first for the lighting, thinking there must be some program/filter that could do it. Then I copied her style, and even re-drew some of her characters and added my ideas to make them mine because that's all I could do and it seemed perfectly alright. I realised it was wrong after some time and removed the images, even though no one seemed to realise they weren't mine.
I guess it's just a matter of getting the other person to realise it's much more fun to think of something of your own, really. :) Not always easy to do, but if you succeed it might mean a heck of a lot, like in your case, I suppose.

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I really like your view on art theft, and it all makes good, intelligent sense.
I'm particularily glad that you decided to stay on deviantART so you could become as important of a member of the community as you are ;)

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This is something that I believe we need to go through to understand it fully. I know exactly what you are saying ;)

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Well I suppose everybody has that sort of experience in their lifetime at least once, including not realising it, I too did do that too many times (mind you I was young as well), but not in the case of heavy inspiration yet realising I ripped it and took it as my own but as practicing. This is the reason why I particularly despise newbs, not to mention the ones that are in their preteens and are that fan-girl/-boy stage, which I went through myself but I didn't discover deviantART at that time however. It may not be a good assumption to make but it's generally come to my mind and that it exists in the sort of community I participate in.

But on the lighter side of things, art theft is basically nearing to a halt, for now I think anyway. We can't change the fact that we hate art thieves let alone know that they intended on it or not which is possibly the reasoning behind all art theft. It's not entirely true but most will get to what I'm saying, aye?

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Even tough it was last year or at the end of this year, this kind of journals still affects me a bit, since I didn't rip stuff on propose. But I could understand that such piece that migh take you hourse drawing, someone just rip it, even though they didn't mean to hurt the artist feelings, but it hurts for sure. Actually I bet I was 15 by that time, if not I was 16 then.
I never was ripped or something, but once someone stole my art to post on a website without premission, i felt bad cos they were stealing something from me and making it theyr own work, its not correct.
Well I guess we must learn with our mistakes and not punish to death the person who riped us, unless they do it more than once, that means stupidity.
I still regret what happened, but its past, not worth being stuck on it.
The good thing is that you used to do the same, so you can understand how people feel when they are found by the person with the original art, that's good to know both sides, it helps to handle it better.
Good journal anyway, and sorry for my english x.x

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:clap: good views! This especially means a lot...

one of my friends on dA was accused of tracing (i don't know if she did it or not...) your art, but a lot of people came to her page and kept nagging her about it. She took down the picture but they didn't stop, so she left.

I think you have a really good point at the end, how it's better to kindly say "You shouldn't do that" rather than go and shout at someone and scare them away.

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I understand your views on this, which is the exact reason why I don't go around pointing my finger and passing judgement onto every single person I come across who copies/traces art. And while it may not bother you as much, it still bothers me to a point. Not so much because of what they copied or the original artist, but more so for the copier themselves.

To me, I feel that copying something verbatim, whether it be words or pictures, is probably the worst way to learn anything. So the copier is not only getting flack from all these other artist, but they're also damaging themselves creatively by piggy-backing on someone else's ideas. And true, while they may not realize it at the time, I still think that improvement is better initiated through practice.

When I first came to DA under *delya's recommendation, I was amazed at just how much concentrated art and talent there was in such a small chunk of webspace. I found a lot of artists that I could look up to and gain knowledge from, which made me want to become better at what I do, not just become the artist themselves. It was this site and the artists on it that inspired me to improve myself, to keep drawing, to keep practicing, so that maybe, one day, someone could look up to me and be inspired to improve themselves.

Like you said, everyone's view on art "theft" is different.

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when I first started posting work online I was heavily inspired by~firekitty I feel my work has now changed, personally I've never really had a problem with people copying my work as long as they give credit. but then again every second person has a fox character and I'm sure someone out ther has an almost identical character to mine :-) Personally though I dont think tracing helps you in any way when I was five I used to trace images but I stopped that and now the only time I trace an image is to transfer one of my own sketches to bristol board.

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.....now THIS is why i came to respect you a lot over the last half of the year, Keia. You have responsibility, and you have a brain to think with and realize that you were wrong. Doesn't matter how long it took you.
Yes, I neither liked the way you took things around here back then but I thought I'd better hush up and leave it to you to realise. I'm bad with words anyway and didn't want to mess things up any further. Plus I knew you have enough people bombarding you with this subject anyway...

True that it's wrong to copy, especially around here. We're not talking about those reknown artists in Japan...well, yet. But it always makes me think back at the time when I learned the basics by copying (not tracing) certian manga covers or anime pictures. The stuff everyone does or did back then. You have to start somewhere, and if you don't have a good art teacher to show you the basics, you have to do it on your own, somehow.
Of course it's very different, copying anime pictures that everyone knows about and NOT posting them online...or doing stuff like copying someone's artwork around here....still I can't be angry at them. Most of the time I even ignore it, hoping they would realize someday.

All in all (after not making much sense i suppose), way to go, Keia~

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